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Some of our Forum members have just returned from a historical sojourn in Cluny and Marcigny (it is unfortunately no longer known as Marcigny-sur-Loire).
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It was a delightful time and most refreshing as a historical reminder of how vital these two locations are;constituting as they do the Twin Pillars Of Cluniacism.
When Hugues de Cluny founded these monastic buildings as abbey-church and convent, he was implementing his unique version of The Holy Grotto Principles of Saint Benedict Of Nursia.The Conqueror,the Red and William de Warenne all made it part of their leadership of The Norman Revolution, 1058-1100, to uphold and promulgate its message in The Frankish Kingdom.
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It is possible today to visit the location widely believed to be where,in 1077, William de Warenne and his wife Gundreda (not Isabel de Vermandois as some traditions maintain)met Hugue's closest collaborators and declared their historical purpose to defend the Cluniacist message as long as they lived.
Our Forum would urge anyone who wants to understand the motivations for The Norman Revolution 1058-1100 to visit these wonderful places.

Lydia Giles,Chairperson,Martin Tilston,First Secretary,Bill H,S.Walsh,Galazou T,Bev Morton,T.F.Dacres (all in personal capacity)
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WRTF:

All I know about William Warenne was that he was one of the biggest "grabbers" in England after 1066. Some "revolution"!(sorry, guys, I just couldn't resist emoticon )
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Lydia et alia: our group of so-called "sojourners" have just returned.Marvellous experience, especially Cluny with that compelling black, conical tower brilliantly prominent as you approach.Highly recommended!

CT,ViceChairperson,Hugo,Rob,Becky,Drogo,Franc B.(all in personal capacity)
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I visited Marcigny some years past.The site is a delight despite the lack of building remnants.Hugues de Cluny's original intent was for a monastery where all work was done by the nuns later years introduced male labourers for reasons not fully explained.When Countess Adele de Blois took the veil there in 1120-1 following the The White Ship disaster,she decided to remain there for 16 years until her death in 1137.It occurs to me that it being the rumoured probable site of her burial made it easier for Henry 11 or Empress Mathilde to justify her tomb's removal to their contemporaries from what I consider to be the verified site at L'Abbaye Des Dames in Caen.
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