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Martin, the first thing I considered emoticon but I am not convinced.

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Having completed Emma Mason's book on the Red which is titled 'William 11-Rufus,the Red King', one is drawn to the inescapable conclusion that the following mots justes in the Preface should be axiomatic to the formation of an historical viewpoint.
'The further back in time a historical subject existed,the sparser and more problematic the sources become,so that detection and deduction increasingly come into play.'
In my opinion,the book is not written from a Revolutionist Cluniacist perspective but is nevertheless wholly engaging.

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Lydia and all:

Now why would Emma Mason write a book that is "revolutionist and Cluniacist"? The woman is a serious scholar. I've read her House of Godwin, and while you can agree or disagree with her ideas, she most certainly has done serious and careful research. I have not read the "William Rufus" book, because I had no idea she was even writing one, but I have no doubt her research was just as careful, even if you folks think her conclusions were wrong.
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Anne G,
I don't see that Lydia is suggesting her 'conclusions' are wrong only that it is not written from a Revolutionist Cluniacist standpoint which may or may not mean they are wrong in part or whole. I haven't read it either yet.

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WTRF

Grow up- you're only impressing the other 'Moonies' in your stupid 'revolution'...nobody else.

So you don't like the English, so what?

Learn to debate in an adult fashion, or get another hobby- a professional historian would tear your laughably indoctrinated mantras to shreds.

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John G:

My point, such as it was, was that Emma Mason is a serious historian. As such, why would she bother with, or even *know* about any "revolutionist" and Cluniacist"(whatever *that* amy mean)POV. She deals with what was *there*, not some wishful interpretation of what she would have *liked* it to be!
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Anne G,
I don't see that Lydia is suggesting her 'conclusions' are wrong only that it is not written from a Revolutionist Cluniacist standpoint which may or may not mean they are wrong in part or whole. I haven't read it either yet.

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Housecarl, still waiting for that posting.... emoticon and infantile epithets only demonstrate your historical bankruptcy.
Mousteriana,i'm not clear as to what you are getting at re Lydia's criticism.She has a perfect right to expect a perspective tailored to her needs.Anyone who buys something wants the maximum joy from it.If Revolutionism Cluniacism is omitted consciously or unconsciously that lessens her enjoyment.Why do you insist on quibbling about this?

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The whole point is that it seems that Lydia wants her fix of 'Revolutionary Cluniacism' and anything that does not meet that perspective is invalid thus negating anyone else's perspective before it is conceived.
Your talk of 'infantile epithets' is ludicrous compared to your incessant babble about 'revolution' a concept which to apply to The Norman Usurpers invasion/theft/genocide is totally inept.
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Red, still waiting for anything intelligent, mature, balanced, relevant, interesting and accurate from you after all those detailed corrections to your immature and moronic, brainwashed posts! emoticon

You're too stupid to post anything other than childish, indoctrinated rants to yourself/ves, I know, or I'd gladly oblige with a discussion on King Harold...

When you've grown up, Red, and I've stopped rolling in the aisles, let me know when you're ready... emoticon

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Dinsdale and WRTF:

What I don't quite understand is, how the WRTF seems not only fixated on some sort of "revolution" taking place post 1066, but something you call "Cluniacism" being some sort of driving force here. As "they" say, it just doesn't compute!
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