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I have no hesitation whatsoever in declaring Thurstin De Bayeux as being one of the great survivors of The Norman Revolution 1058-1100 if not the greatest in terms of his achievements in living into the early decades of the 12th Century.
He was born in Bayeux in 1070. He was the son of a local cleric called Auger. His formative years were steeped in scholasticism under the Conqueror. He was 17 when the Conqueror died at Saint Gervais Priory. By that time he would have assimilated many of the teachings of Lanfranc and Cluniacism as well as seeing at first hand the revolutionization of Normandy-Angleland. He would have experienced the sharp differences of strategy evinced in the clashes between the Red and Mortain-Bayeux-Courtheuse in 1088. By the 1090's, even before the reunification of Normandy-Angleland in 1096, his support for the Red was clear and unequivocal. His other key mentor after the Red was Ranulph Flambard, effectively the latter's Number 2 and Bishop of Durham. There can be little doubt that Flambard was Lanfranc's successor in the view of the Red despite never being Archbishop of Canterbury. It was this 'dynamic duo' of the Red and Flambard that inspired Thurstin to enter the Red's inner circle of confidantes whilst holding the most ordinary of cleric posts. The terrible aftermath of the Red's assassination on 2nd August 1100 must have been a terrible blow and like so many others the swift current of ensuing events initially swept him along in troublesome submission to Beauclerc and The Frankish King, Philippe 1. But it was not long before Thurstin asserted himself inspite of the obvious dangers by refusing to recognise the authority of the Archbishop of Canterbury. Beauclerc bundled him into exile as punishment. His refusal to come to terms with Beauclerc, the inveterate enemy of the Red, was only lifted when Pope Honorius 11 gave Thurstin,Archishop of York, special dispensation from the authority of Canterbury in the 1120's. The rigours of the liturgy so much the theological foundation stone of Cluniacism and Lanfranc's interpretation of it (eremiticism) were always central to Thurstin's overall, theological stance. This eremiticism was not just employed within conventional religious structures (eg monasticism which Thurstin also promoted) but more importantly as an all-embracing theological doctrine with ramifications for the Temporal. Fired up by the justness of what he believed to be those vital years 1058-1100, he outlived the limited reversals wrought under Beauclerc (died 1135) to such an extent that when David 1 of Scotland's army invaded Angleland/England in 1138 and reduced many people in the north of the country to a state of Slavery(an institution which had disappeared totally under The Norman Kings by the 1130's having survived for centuries under the Angle-Saxon-Dane Kings), Thurstin at the age of 68 took to the battlefield having overcome baronial divisions in Yorkshire created by a residual loyalty by some barons to David 1's "old ancestors in Angleland" and this whole feat by Thurstin happened during a Civil War which had broken out in 1137. He co-led King Stephen's army to victory at The Battle Of The Standard liberating the slaves in true Norman tradition and reviving albeit sadly for a brief time the magnificent spirit and letter of The Norman Revolution 1058-1100. He died two years after The Battle Of The Standard. This brave,God-fearing confidante of the Red has never got the full credit he deserves from historians down the centuries. It is my sincere intention that this contribution, albeit modestly, will go some way to redress the balance.

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Usual retarded and inaccurate drivel from the usual dumbed-down and desperate imberciles...

Ever thought of testing your eunuch-like convictions on other websites? emoticon

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In his day the great Thurstin De Bayeux would not have had a problem with owning a kite-shield in [sign in to see URL] your site can supply me with that type of shield, I ,for one, will appear in a defined capacity.

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Read this, amnesiac and cowardly retards...

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Bill,
Brilliant posting.(the one thing that can be said about Housecarl is that he or she is consistent wouldn't you say emoticon ?)
What is so invigourating about Thurstin's history is that he was always ready to deal with a situation in times when it might have been seen as out of time and [sign in to see URL] is 38 years since the assassination of his mentor,the Red and Ranulph Flambard died in 1128. How did he succeed in after such devastating losses? Archbishop Lanfranc was someone who if you lived in his times could not fail to inspire and his friendship with the Conqueror is [sign in to see URL] that is the reason why he never faltered when others would not have been up to the task.
One of the things I consider worth looking at is the relationship between Thurstin's Cluniacism and the [sign in to see URL] question to all participants is:To what extent does it factor in to the eremiticism that was handed down from Lanfranc?
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WRTF:

First, define "eremeticism". Or are you making this word up? My vocabulary is pretty darn good, let it be known. As for your association of Thurstin de Bayeux with Ranulf Flambard, I wonder. YOu realize, the guy was widely disliked in England for his greed and self-aggrandizement.

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Anne G its obvious you don't like Thurstin otherwise such an inaccurate and slanderous remark would not be [sign in to see URL]'s posting makes it very clear that he was a splendid, heroic character who was prepared to be killed in battle to stop his people being permanently enslaved by David 1's slaveholding [sign in to see URL] deserves wider recognition for his work than is reflected in most modern accounts which gloss over or ignore his magnificent [sign in to see URL] where credit is due emoticon

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mousteriana wrote:

WRTF:

First, define "eremeticism". Or are you making this word up? My vocabulary is pretty darn good, let it be known. As for your association of Thurstin de Bayeux with Ranulf Flambard, I wonder. YOu realize, the guy was widely disliked in England for his greed and self-aggrandizement.

Anne G



Nice one, Anne!

Another grasping, boorish viking usuring Northern Frenchman over-inflated by the web-fascist pretending to be a group of geeks, I venture?


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Anne G its obvious you don't like Thurstin otherwise such an inaccurate and slanderous remark would not be [sign in to see URL]'s posting makes it very clear that he was a splendid, heroic character who was prepared to be killed in battle to stop his people being permanently enslaved by David 1's slaveholding [sign in to see URL] deserves wider recognition for his work than is reflected in most modern accounts which gloss over or ignore his magnificent [sign in to see URL] where credit is due emoticon

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Marita, you are awfully quick to jump to conclusions. I don't like or dislike Thurstin de Bayeux. How can I? I never knew him! But again, I am bothered --- very much so, in fact --- by your rather ahistorical attention to just one (possible) aspect of the Norman impact, which leads you, IMO, to ignore all the others. And they all need to be considered, in total, before a realistic assessment can be made of what that impact means.
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Paul, one of the most important things that I recognise as being Thurstin De Bayeux's most significant attribute is his desire to have the widest understanding of religious belief. The Cluniac and Cistercian views were interlinked in his perception to the extent that they reflected diversity. Not a diversity of conflict in this instance, but of harmony or at least the search for that [sign in to see URL] the Temporal level, this search found its succesful apex in his unifying of the Northern Barons differing attitudes to the Scottish invasion into a common [sign in to see URL] was a unifier and and it was only those who saw him in a negative sense who were pro-David 1 and pro-Slavery who have a negative word to say about him then and [sign in to see URL] of course his defence of Christina of Markyate is legendary after Flambard's excessive treatment of [sign in to see URL] problems for York started after his death when nobody could be found to succeed to his [sign in to see URL] can be explained by the appalling legacy of Beauclerc's rule.

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