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Bill H et alia
The problem with the birthdate is important.
There is a perception that if it cannot be verified that someone is born in Normandy then that person does not get the title 'of Normandy' whether an undisputed member of The House Of Normandy or not.
The view that Adele was born in 1066 makes it possible that she could have been born after Senlac and in [sign in to see URL] would make her 'of Angleland' (d'Angleterre) as opposed to 'de Normandie'. Strange to say, it does carry weight when deciding whether or not a burial site is legitimate or not.
The fact that no such site or plaque etc to mark the site exists seems to show that it is the current policy despite the fact that its historically contentious and,in the light of the fact that Adele is a member of The House Of Normandy, somewhat ludicrous.

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John ,Sammy

It is [sign in to see URL] is a record that places her burial at [sign in to see URL] ridiculous of course but from enquiries I have made it would seem to be [sign in to see URL] must be a plaque or better an [sign in to see URL] would not cost much and would be in keeping with the ambience at L'Abbaye aux Dames.

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A good point Pereobu.
It seems that for whatever dubious reasons there is a clear willingness on the part of people who should know better, to confuse the issue rather than recognise indisputable facts.
Her burial place is recorded in the funereal data of [sign in to see URL] had not been defeated by Anjou when her body was transported from Marcigny-sur-loire so there is no question it arrived, confirming the local and national [sign in to see URL] has to be the case that it was removed illegally between 1138-44 or after 1154 and the full, Angevin accession.

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This topic interests me greatly as my field of study is primarily medieval women.

I shall read more thoroughly these posts before I reply further.

Very intriguing .......

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Melisende:

Welcome to the group. I look forward to "hearing" your voice.
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I have read, re-read, and even re-read these posts concerning Adela and her "pro-Norman Revolutionary ideals and fervent Cluniacism".

And after reviewing, researching, deciphering and discarding quite alot of the "information" containing within certain postings, I have come to the following conclusion - based on the premise put forward originally:

Adela was pro-Norman Revolution and Cluniac Revisionist- as per the example given regarding her father William the Conqueror - and William Rufus, quite simply, WAS NOT!



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Good luck with these idiots, Mel

Your superior knowledge to their (*yawn*)"forum" will be challenged as anti-"revolutionary" or something as immature, inane and desperate...

Just as they did Anne and I when we pointed out that they were WRONG when stating that Harald Hardrada (who "died in 1016" emoticon ) had a "brother" that was killed in the [sign in to see URL]'s day massacre of 1002! emoticon emoticon

Just two laughable howlers amongst their many that they still shy away from... emoticon

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Housecarl and Melisende:

The "howler" about Harald Hardraada's brother wasn't the worst one. . .The absolulte bottom of the pile, as far as I'm concerned, was when they said "Senlac" was French for "Blood Lake". Well it isn't. It isn't even, origtinally, French. It was English. And it referred to a "Sand Lake"(at least if Orderic Vitalis is to be believed). I had to tell them so. Oh well.
I'm not sure about anybody being a "Cluniacist" or promoting a "Norman revolution", though, despite what certain members of this list attempt to claim.
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To what extent if any was Adele influenced by Ermengard de Beziers? (there is an acute accent on that first 'e'in Beziers which the limitations of my keyboard prevent appearing)It's a question that has taxed my intellect considerably and not a few members of our Forum and I'm still no clearer on this.

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quote:

WilliamtheRed Forum1 wrote:

It's a question that has taxed my intellect considerably and not a few members of our 'Forum'.

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NO CHANGE THERE, THEN!

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