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Michel de Bouard and the English


The great doyen of Norman studies, Michel de Bouard, former WWII resistance hero, concentration camp survivor and founder of the Museum of Normandy in the castle and in 1955, the Centre for Archaeological Research and medieval history at the University of Caen, was once asked about his Norman view of England;-

 "Do you agree with the Anglo-Saxon post-1066 view that the Normans brought about their loss of liberty?"

Surprisingly, he replied;-

 "Yes...If I were English I would be an Anglo-Saxonist...I believe that I wouldn't like the Normans"

So there you go...

PS. Glad this post irks the staggeringly narrow-minded, ignorant & disturbingly nerdy WTF (Want to be French!)

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WTF?...........Clearly stunned.....

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    WilliamtheRed Forum1 wrote:
     Lydia was referring to the website that Housecarl wants everyone to visit.



That's the whole point of starting up a website, idiots.
Laughable how your 'debating' has generated even further into the Franco-Breton cesspit with personal "attacks" (as hard-hitting as a Liberace slap, btw!) lol.

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She states it is like Valhalla. As anyone who knows about such things Valhalla is a place in Paganism. Paganism was supplanted by Christianity, therefore that website was backward in her view. Lydia was strongly criticising a point of view not a mentality.
    Here's a question regarding Michel de Brouard's remark. What does he mean by "Anglo-Saxonist"? Is he aware that hundreds of thousands of Danes lived in Angleland at the time and that it was de facto an Angle-Saxon-Dane kingdom? That The Usurper (Harold Godwineson) was half-Dane? That the Housecarls who defended the ridge at Senlac were Danes inherited by kings of Angleland since the time of Cnut?



His name is "Bouard" not 'Brouard'- WTF IDIOTS!! LOL.

The superior huscarls were mostly English by 1066 as you well know- like the invading usurpers under the fat, greedy bastard were mostly multi-racial mercenaries!!
France, Brittany and Normandy etc were formed of different 'races' - and the fat, greedy Bastard usurper and his gay, stammering son Billy2 were vikings!!!

At least King Harold -the true successor to Edward- (admitted even by Poitiers that he WAS offered the crown!) fought bravely to the death in battle, and not robbed by retainers, abandoned naked and burst open when crammed into a coffin!!

    
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Since Housecarl threw in this selected quote does he have any idea what this term is supposed to mean in historical context?



Yes thanks, as did Bouard. (read my posts for once- you MIGHT learn something other than some boring irrelevant Franco-viking details).

 
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Finally, we note that Housecarls latest set of pictures are all soldiers from various global,historical times. So can we assume that Housecarl's world historical view is all centred on weapon-wielding dullards who have nothing in their heads but blood-lust? If so he/she could not be more wrong. Where are the priests, the courtier-advisors, the women?



"Weapon-weilding (Sp????)dullards who have nothing in their heads but blood-lust"?

Like the Normans? Lol. Classic error of history from nerdy pen-pushers!
Or the dumb, rash and equally (like you) arrogant French at Agincourt? Or a hundred other French disasters?

I have a talent for drawing, thank you- and enjoy the military aspect in particular- who doesn't? It formed vast chunks of history- so grow up, stop ASSUMING and try engaging....... different sources!
If you morons weren't so ignorant and imbercilic you'd have seen that my website (which I'm happy irritates you dumbo's) has a "church" and "anything else" section, also for other sections of ordinary civilian life! Blinkered morons...and geeks.

How many websites do you imberciles visit? Two? Lol.

As your clearly so rattled by my website (where's yours again? Lol) and and envious of my flourishing talent for drawing (one of which below is a Norman, btw!) which you repeatedly keep "attacking".........what are YOUR 'talents' again?
-Being geeky, irksome and arrogant nerds that ramble on and on and on and on about DudoBongo St. Froglegs'?
All using the same user-ID...and computer?

And what's with your pompous, old-biddy "signatures"?
Everyone else seems to comment on how laughable they are!
Grow up.....and learn to use paragraphs and grammar...dumbos.

Gerry Walter Mitty, Mrs Peel (both in 'retarded', arrogant and geeky-"forum" capacity)

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I notice you don't challenge the specifics of Lydia's criticism, which is why you have not addressed the other points regarding why your pictures are all male warriors with no priests,courtiers/advisors, women.You are de facto admitting that our Forum's criticisms of your site,which by plonking its hyperlink in every one of your posts you want chatboard participants to visit,are valid.

You say the Housecarls who defended their Anglo-Dane "King" (ie The Usurper) were "mostly English" is mostly 99.9 or 50.9? You should know that The Usurper's links to the Danish Court were well known and that his relationships with it were cordial.That is why those Housecarls(a Danish word)retained by successive Angleland monarchs since Cnut, were Danes. If they had become "English" why did not The Usurper change their name to something obviously "English"? He did not because they were not Anglo-Saxon(like him).

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Your "forum"/other fake-ID's is/are either blind, stupid or indoctrinated?

King Harold also had royal ENGLISH links back to Alfred the Great's older brother, Ethelred I, unlike PuffingBilly-the-greedy-bastard and his Gay-also-viking son, PinkBilly2...

LEARN TO READ THE REPLY FROM OVER A WEEK AGO...

    
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    WilliamtheRed Forum1 wrote:
     Lydia was referring to the website that Housecarl wants everyone to visit.




That's the whole point of a website, idiots.
Laughable how your 'debating' has generated even further into the Franco-Breton cesspit with personal "attacks" (as hard-hitting as a Liberace slap!) lol.

    
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    She states it is like Valhalla. As anyone who knows about such things Valhalla is a place in Paganism. Paganism was supplanted by Christianity, therefore that website was backward in her view. Lydia was strongly criticising a point of view not a mentality.
    Here's a question regarding Michel de Brouard's remark. What does he mean by "Anglo-Saxonist"? Is he aware that hundreds of thousands of Danes lived in Angleland at the time and that it was de facto an Angle-Saxon-Dane kingdom? That The Usurper (Harold Godwineson) was half-Dane? That the Housecarls who defended the ridge at Senlac were Danes inherited by kings of Angleland since the time of Cnut?




The superior huscarls were mostly English by 1066 as you well know- like the invading usurpers under the fat, greedy bastard were mostly multi-racial mercenaries!!
France, Brittany and Normandy etc were formed of different 'races' - and the fat, greedy Bastard usurper and his gay, stammering son Billy2 were vikings!!!

At least King Harold -the true successor to Edward- (admitted even by Poitiers that he WAS offered the crown!) fought bravely to the death in battle, and not robbed by retainers, abandoned naked and burst open when crammed into a coffin!!

    
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    Since Housecarl threw in this selected quote does he/she have any idea what this term is supposed to mean in historical context?



Yes thanks, (read my posts for once- you MIGHT learn something other than some boring irrelevant Franco-viking details). As did De Bouard.

    
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    Finally, we note that Housecarls latest set of pictures are all soldiers from various global,historical times. So can we assume that Housecarl's world historical view is all centred on weapon-wielding dullards who have nothing in their heads but blood-lust? If so he/she could not be more wrong. Where are the priests, the courtier-advisors, the women?



"Weapon-weilding dullards who have nothing in their heads but blood-lust"?

Like the Normans? emoticon

Or Frankish Crusaders? Lol.
Or the dumb, rash and equally (like you) arrogant French 'knights' (English word)at Agincourt?
Or a hundred other useless French disasters?

I have a talent for drawing, thank you- and enjoy the military aspect in particular (nearly all war was fought by MALES, idiots- your own interest in Gaybilly is suspect!)- who doesn't?
It formed vast chunks of history- so grow up, stop ASSUMING (your word)and try read....... different sources!

If you morons weren't so ignorant and imbercilic you'd have seen that my website (which I'm happy irritates you dumbos) has a "church" section, also for other sections of ordinary civilian life! Learn to read.

And how many websites do you imberciles ever visit for broadmindedness? Two? :lol:

As your clearly so rattled by website (where's yours again? Lol) and and envious of my flourishing talent for drawing (one of which below is a Norman, btw!) which you repeatedly keep "attacking".........
what's your 'talent' again?
-Being geeky, irksome and arrogant nerds that ramble on and on and on and on about Dudo St. Froglegs'?

And what's with your pompous, old-biddy "signatures"?
Everyone seems to comment on how laughable they are! Or is it laudable? emoticon :lol:
Grow up.....and learn to use paragraphs and grammar...dumbos.

Gerry Walter Mitty, Mrs Peel (both in 'retarded', arrogant and geeky-"forum" capacity)
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Thanks for admitting that The Usurper was not "English" but Anglo-Dane.Stick around Housecarl. Our Forum will educate you.
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Paul and WRTF:


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Thanks for admitting that The Usurper was not "English" but Anglo-Dane.Stick around Housecarl. Our Forum will educate you.
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You continually make a point that Harold was an "Anglo-Dane". Okay, okay, nobody questions that his mother Gytha was a "Dane". But I seem to recall that shedidmarry Godwin, and produced Harold, along with a lot of other children. In England. Among the English! And Harold's supposedly "mixed" ancestry did not prevent him from acting on behalf of the English! Jeez. If you wanted to press this point further, you could say that Edward "the Confessor" was an "Anglo-Norman", since Normandy is where his mother Emma came from. If you keep bringing up "points" like these, in support of your "argument", it's going to be a long time before anybody gets educated.
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Thanks for admitting that The Usurper was not "English" but Anglo-Dane.Stick around Housecarl. Our Forum will educate you.
Paul (personal capacity)



Well, not I didn't, he was English, plain and simple(well, there's another user-ID for you).

He was half-English by blood, born and raised here!
Your other user-ID's too dumb to comprehend that? Lol.

Like the WTF knew that Forkbeard's (who died in 1016!!lol) sister was slain in the 1002 massacre...

No thanks, a bunch of idiotic French-wannabe's are way down the priority list.

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Paul,I tend to see the Usurper as Saxon-Dane due to his father's Saxon background but the dual historical identity is correct.It's always pathetic to see him defended today as in some way quintessentially "english" or "anglo-saxon".He was nothing of the kind and would probably have laughed at the suggestion as surely as the Red laughed at the notion that he was an "englishman".It is vital in understanding the Usurper to understand the Danish connection. His upbringing was as a strict Cnutian and it never left him. Unfortunately for him, he was completely incapable of becoming a new Cnut due to his inability to unify political differences in Angleland. He was more like Cnut's successors before the Confessor without possessing their ruling coherence however short-lived it turned out to be.

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Drogo and WRTF1

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Paul,I tend to see the Usurper as Saxon-Dane due to his father's Saxon background but the dual historical identity is correct.It's always pathetic to see him defended today as in some way quintessentially "english" or "anglo-saxon".He was nothing of the kind and would probably have laughed at the suggestion as surely as the Red laughed at the notion that he was an "englishman".It is vital in understanding the Usurper to understand the Danish connection. His upbringing was as a strict Cnutian and it never left him. Unfortunately for him, he was completely incapable of becoming a new Cnut due to his inability to unify political differences in Angleland. He was more like Cnut's successors before the Confessor without possessing their ruling coherence however short-lived it turned out to be.
Drogo,Vice-Chairperson (personal capacity)



This is really playing with words, since you could equally validly claim that Edward "the Confessor" was "English-Norman" by the same logic. Besides which, by that time, "Saxon" really was not used in connection with the native English. You also claim that Harold would have laughed at the suggestion that he was an "Anglo-Saxon", whatever you mean by this. Sure, he acknowledged the "Danish" half of his ancestry, but everyone else did too. It is his actions that suggest, to me, that Harold thought of himself as "English", whatever his parents were and where they came from. It was quite possible then, just as it is possible now, to acknowledge a "mixed" ancestry or parentage, and at the same time consider oneself part of a larger "ethnic" group(or, in modern terms, nationality or country).

And, quite frankly, I don't have any idea what you mean by his being "brought up as a strict Cnutian". His father Godwin certainly benefited by supporting Cnut, for better or worse, and if, by "strict Cnutian", you mean that Harold learned early that one should pay attention to the political winds, then I would agree with you. But AFAIK, he never really tried to imitate Cnut; once Cnut died, whatever ideas he might have had of some Greater Danish Empire died with him. And Harold never really tried to "take over", until he had to, again AFAIK. He loyally served a weak king(Edward "the Confessor") to the best of his ability, and ended up practically running England. But even here, there was no effort to "take over". Instead, he went in search of a legitimate descendant of the old royal line(Edward Atheling), and tried to bring him back. Unfortunately, the man died, and his son Edgar was, by 1066, considered too young and inexperienced to do much of anything in the face of the threat of William. If William had not been such a threat, I doubt if the Witan would have backed Harold in the first place, but we'll never know.
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I notice you don't challenge the specifics of Lydia's criticism, which is why you have not addressed the other points regarding why your pictures are all male warriors with no priests,courtiers/advisors, women.You are de facto admitting that our Forum's criticisms of your site,which by plonking its hyperlink in every one of your posts you want chatboard participants to visit,are valid.

You say the Housecarls who defended their Anglo-Dane "King" (ie The Usurper) were "mostly English" is mostly 99.9 or 50.9? You should know that The Usurper's links to the Danish Court were well known and that his relationships with it were cordial.That is why those Housecarls(a Danish word)retained by successive Angleland monarchs since Cnut, were Danes. If they had become "English" why did not The Usurper change their name to something obviously "English"? He did not because they were not Anglo-Saxon(like him).

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Eala and Heal

I'm Harold Godwinsson!

You know me, i'm the man you keep calling The Usurper!

Frankly, well, i don't happen to enjoy being called a Usurper, especially when i was offered the crown of England or should i say Engloland, or perhaps Englalond since there has been so many ways of spelling or saying it since before William the "Bastard", since that is what he was, and who was the true Usurper of a Land and Kingdom that wasn't his in the first place, was it!

But any way i digress a little, i was offered the Crown of my Country, Homeland by that Country's, Homeland's Witan or early form of English Parliament, so therefore, in what way, by any imagination am i a Usurper?

The Witan, An Early form of English Parliament, so you see, we thought of it long before that French fellow, i forget his name?

But any way, would you please not accuse me of being a Usurper in my own Homeland, you see it does rather erk me a bit, it makes me want to break a few Norman heads, and such things so do please try not to accuse me of being something i wasn't.

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