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The Conqueror was born in 1027,the son of Duke Robert the Devil (aka “the Magnificent”) and Herleve of Falaise who was a tanner’s daughter. He was Duke of Normandy 1035-87 and King of Angleland 1066-87.
And illegitimate = a bastard

Following Varaville, spread the dynamics of The Norman Revolution to Ponthieu, Vexin , Brittany and crucially: Maine(1064) increasing its power and influence to great effect. He also cemented alliances involving landed, church and military interests in Normandy to firm up the ideological power of the Revolution.

The Conqueror married Matilda of Flanders in 1051. This also involved an alliance with her father Baldwin V.
Who did NOTHING to back the bastard

In 1051 Edward the Confessor acknowledged the Conqueror as his successor either directly or through an intermediary who was probably Robert de Jumieges.
"probably" Jumieges- this sums it all up! Apart from the witan and King Edward, then?

In 1064, Harold Godwineson swore allegiance to the Conqueror as the Confessor’s successor in Angleland.
"Over 'hidden relics' yes- deciet and enforced, thus invalid

When Godwineson usurped Angleland’s throne in the counter-revolution of January 1066, the Conqueror assembled an alliance of politico-military forces inside The Frankish Kingdom and gained the support of Pope Alexander 11 to assert his just right to rule in Angleland.
As already said- the witan and King Edward elected Harold as KING! And..."revolution? LOL, grow up, commies!

The Conqueror annihilated the Usurper and his oppressive, ruling class at the Battle of Senlac Hill (aka Hastings) on 14th October 1066. The revolutionist, Frank-Viking ruling class who replaced them, expropriated that ex-ruling class’ land and wealth to finance the export of The Norman Revolution to the remainder of the The Frankish Kingdom with the ultimate aim of putting a Frank-Viking on the Frankish throne and generating the fusion of the most advanced, historical forces of Scandinavia and The Kingdom of The Franks, at the highest leadership level. There is also evidence that the Conqueror exploited the divisions inside and between Angleland and Scandinavia as a catalyst to facilitate this historic victory. The highest expression of his consummate, revolutionary skill in this regard was the evidence albeit by no means conclusive for all traditions, of what de facto was a temporary alliance with Hardraada to implement a two-front war on the Usurper.
You 'tards call this intelligent or logical? LOL - it doesn't even have pubes! "Expropriation"?= forceful redistribution of private property, yes!

A series of counter-revolutionary uprisings from 1067-1075 were defeated, chief among which was The Northern Rising 1069-1070 which combined with a Danish counter-revolutionary thrust ordered by Sweyn Esrithsen.
You fags really are hung up on imaginary revolutions, huh?

The Conqueror ordered the first, permanent settlements of Jewish people in Angleland’s history. This order ended a 1000-year-old-plus, racist, exclusion order on this unjustly persecuted people which was based on the big lie that they killed Jesus Christ and not the Roman Empire. Permanent settlements of Jewish people had existed in Normandy since the 10th Century. Allied to this policy was the Conqueror’s strong belief in Cluniacism and a firm identification with St Stephen the Protomartyr who historically occupies the politico-military-ideological-religious terrain which separates the original teachings of Jesus Christ and his brother, James the Just from Paulian revisionism. We do not believe it was anything other than personal identification that the Conqueror chose to be crowned ruler of Angleland one day before the Protomartyr’s feast day which is on 26th December.
Ah, so reveals the gay juden WTRF to the website...that they don't own!
The Conqueror ordered a massive, church and castle-building program in Angleland to provide a dynamic infrastructure from which to implement The Norman Revolution and combined with the leading force of Normandy, to export that Revolution to the remainder of The Frankish Kingdom and ultimately to put a Frank-Viking in power to rule that Kingdom.
So let's also forgive the nazi forced labour programs in a cowed Frankland of WWII then?

During his spectacular victory over Philippe 1 at Mantes in 1087 and so defeating the second counter-revolutionary thrust of 1086-1087, the Conqueror was fatally wounded in mysterious circumstances, dying later at St Gervais on the outskirts of Rouen on 9TH September 1087.
And robbed and abandoned by 'retainers' before being popped open like a sour melon!
In his deathbed speech, he left Angleland not to another monarch but to God. No monarch of Angleland/England/ UK in his/her death process has ever done that before or since.
Sources? How do you amusing !@#$ know?

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Ouija and WRTF:

Yeah. By the time William invaded England, he and Baldwin had fallen out for various reasons. Matilda couldn't do much about that!

And it's likely that Robert of Jumieges, for reasons of his own, "planted" the idea in William's head, that he should be the rightful king of England. William's life history had made him just nsecure enough so that he probably fell for it. Of course this is all pure speculation. But OTOH, Edward "the Confessor" seems to have pretty much promised the crown to just about anybody who would stand still long enough to listen to him. Magnus of Norway, for one. The WRTF tends to ignore this inconvenient fact. I won't go over the silliness of the "oath"; it's been gone over repeatedly without effect.

And, as Ouija has pointed out, the only people who could legally promise the crown to anybody were Edward, and the Witan, who had the final say anyway. And the Witan deemed Harold the most logical candidate at the time. It does not seem that Harold actively saught to become king, much before it became obvious that he *was* the logical candidate. As for the whole "revolution" thing, which the WRTF has clutched at like a barnacle on a rock, it's basically a metaphor some ill advised "popular" historians and writers use to describe some of the (apparently) drastic changes that took place after 1066.

Finally, you asked for the source of William's "deathbed speech". It comes from the writings of Orderic Vitalis, an Anglo-Norman monk. The WRTF also conveniently forgets that the chroniclers of that time(all monks), liked to write, not what we would call history these days, but instructive and "moral" tales about the lives of the "personalities" of whatever period they lived in. Orderic was no exception. That "deathbed speech" was pretty much his own invention.
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ouija666 wrote:

The Conqueror was born in 1027,the son of Duke Robert the Devil (aka “the Magnificent”) and Herleve of Falaise who was a tanner’s daughter. He was Duke of Normandy 1035-87 and King of Angleland 1066-87.
And illegitimate = a bastard

Following Varaville, spread the dynamics of The Norman Revolution to Ponthieu, Vexin , Brittany and crucially: Maine(1064) increasing its power and influence to great effect. He also cemented alliances involving landed, church and military interests in Normandy to firm up the ideological power of the Revolution.

The Conqueror married Matilda of Flanders in 1051. This also involved an alliance with her father Baldwin V.
Who did NOTHING to back the bastard

In 1051 Edward the Confessor acknowledged the Conqueror as his successor either directly or through an intermediary who was probably Robert de Jumieges.
"probably" Jumieges- this sums it all up! Apart from the witan and King Edward, then?

In 1064, Harold Godwineson swore allegiance to the Conqueror as the Confessor’s successor in Angleland.
"Over 'hidden relics' yes- deciet and enforced, thus invalid

When Godwineson usurped Angleland’s throne in the counter-revolution of January 1066, the Conqueror assembled an alliance of politico-military forces inside The Frankish Kingdom and gained the support of Pope Alexander 11 to assert his just right to rule in Angleland.
As already said- the witan and King Edward elected Harold as KING! And..."revolution? LOL, grow up, commies!

The Conqueror annihilated the Usurper and his oppressive, ruling class at the Battle of Senlac Hill (aka Hastings) on 14th October 1066. The revolutionist, Frank-Viking ruling class who replaced them, expropriated that ex-ruling class’ land and wealth to finance the export of The Norman Revolution to the remainder of the The Frankish Kingdom with the ultimate aim of putting a Frank-Viking on the Frankish throne and generating the fusion of the most advanced, historical forces of Scandinavia and The Kingdom of The Franks, at the highest leadership level. There is also evidence that the Conqueror exploited the divisions inside and between Angleland and Scandinavia as a catalyst to facilitate this historic victory. The highest expression of his consummate, revolutionary skill in this regard was the evidence albeit by no means conclusive for all traditions, of what de facto was a temporary alliance with Hardraada to implement a two-front war on the Usurper.
You 'tards call this intelligent or logical? LOL - it doesn't even have pubes! "Expropriation"?= forceful redistribution of private property, yes!

A series of counter-revolutionary uprisings from 1067-1075 were defeated, chief among which was The Northern Rising 1069-1070 which combined with a Danish counter-revolutionary thrust ordered by Sweyn Esrithsen.
You fags really are hung up on imaginary revolutions, huh?

The Conqueror ordered the first, permanent settlements of Jewish people in Angleland’s history. This order ended a 1000-year-old-plus, racist, exclusion order on this unjustly persecuted people which was based on the big lie that they killed Jesus Christ and not the Roman Empire. Permanent settlements of Jewish people had existed in Normandy since the 10th Century. Allied to this policy was the Conqueror’s strong belief in Cluniacism and a firm identification with St Stephen the Protomartyr who historically occupies the politico-military-ideological-religious terrain which separates the original teachings of Jesus Christ and his brother, James the Just from Paulian revisionism. We do not believe it was anything other than personal identification that the Conqueror chose to be crowned ruler of Angleland one day before the Protomartyr’s feast day which is on 26th December.
Ah, so reveals the gay juden WTRF to the website...that they don't own!
The Conqueror ordered a massive, church and castle-building program in Angleland to provide a dynamic infrastructure from which to implement The Norman Revolution and combined with the leading force of Normandy, to export that Revolution to the remainder of The Frankish Kingdom and ultimately to put a Frank-Viking in power to rule that Kingdom.
So let's also forgive the nazi forced labour programs in a cowed Frankland of WWII then?

During his spectacular victory over Philippe 1 at Mantes in 1087 and so defeating the second counter-revolutionary thrust of 1086-1087, the Conqueror was fatally wounded in mysterious circumstances, dying later at St Gervais on the outskirts of Rouen on 9TH September 1087.
And robbed and abandoned by 'retainers' before being popped open like a sour melon!
In his deathbed speech, he left Angleland not to another monarch but to God. No monarch of Angleland/England/ UK in his/her death process has ever done that before or since.
Sources? How do you amusing !@#$ know?



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Playing with your little 'board' has predictably made you blind to reason and facts.Lie down and put a cold towel over it and yourself.Mouseteriana agreeing with you only accentuates your problems.
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Paul:

Frankly, I have no idea what you're talking about. You and your Forum keep accusing me, and anybody else who disagrees with your ahistorical "assessments" of all kinds of things, and tells us all to "get over it", but you have yet to provide any incontrovertible facts to back up your claims, which are absurd on the face of it. You have basically provided only opinions; worse, you and your Forum have driven aaway almost everyone who would be interested in discussing some really interesting issues that presented themselves at the time and later. Some of these issues affect people to this very day. People really don't want to keep listening to your "same old, same old" and if they want to discuss real historical issues, they go elsewhere. Do you really want to drive everybody else off, and rattle around in this forum, all by yourselves?
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Ouija666,
In your Topic title you make an assumption about the private,political or otherwise views of members of our Forum about whom you know nothing.This is unacceptable and I request you retract or provide an acceptable justification.Unless or until you do so,there will be no further dialogue with you by any member of our Forum on this Chatboard or elsewhere.

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WRTF and Bill H, et al:

Your Forum tends to elicit such responses because they are basically biased and essentially unhistorical. While some of us may dispute the meaning of these "hidden relics", the fact is that even "pro Norman" historians don't have much to say about them, simply because the circumstances under which Harold swore this oath(whatever it was and wherever it was sworn), seem to have been such that a close and unbiased examination of the circumstances would have rendered it invalid. This didn't happen, because the Pope of the time was completely under the sway of the Normans in Italy. If you don't believe this, read David Bates' biography of William. He has almost nothing to say about it.

And there is some possibility that Robert of Jumieges first planted the idea that William should be the rightful king of England, in 1051, soon after he returned to Nomrandy. One could argue that William was just insecure enough to want to be a king, and therefore equal to the king of France(he was a nominal vassal).

So while Ouija's language and mode of argument is deplorable, and he or she should try to adopt a much more neutral tone(IMO), he or she has not necessarily gotten their facts wrong. Especially in view of the fact that Edward "the Confessor" seems to have promised the crown, at various times, to anybody who would stand still long enough to listen. But that's another story. In any case, all you are doing is drivinb away potential dialogue.
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Ouija666,
In your Topic title you make an assumption about the private,political or otherwise views of members of our Forum about whom you know nothing.This is unacceptable and I request you retract or provide an acceptable justification.Unless or until you do so,there will be no further dialogue with you by any member of our Forum on this Chatboard or elsewhere.

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Ouija666,
In your Topic title you make an assumption about the private,political or otherwise views. This is unacceptable and I request you retract or provide an acceptable justification.

Bill H,Chairperson (on behalf of WTRF)



I retract that opening statement- instead, your incoherent WTF of historically-bereft forummorons are, as has been long-proved, a plagiaristic and desperate rabble of clueless, COMMIE impotents and nerdy limpwrists...

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Ouija666:

The WRTF is historically misguided; they seem to be taking positions that no one who knows the period they purport to admire, takes, AFAIK.
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I concur with both! emoticon

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