Thetforde
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Lords of the manor
Have allways been intriged with the norman invasion. I'm not up to the speed of those here on the who did what to who and when. I'm mainly looking for information on Lincolnshire. Im looking for information on a name.
The name Tedford was brought to England in the wave of migration that followed the Norman Conquest of 1066. The Tedford family lived in lincoinshire, at Tetforde.
Spelling variations include: Tetford, Thetford, Titford, Thedforde and others.
First found in Lincoinshire where they were seated as Lords of the manor of Tetforde from very ancient times, some say from the Norman Conquest of England in 1066 A.D.
Im search our family lines. Have posative proof back to 1725, Before that need strong proof or grounds I can lay clam too. Their is a stronge chance that the name came from france for I've seen the name their but just can place where.
Would be gratfull for all your help in this matter.
J.L.Tedford
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Feb/4/2006, 2:51 am
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Re: Lords of the manor
Tedford,
I've spent a lot of time researching Norman surnames in an attempt to better understand my past. There's one thing you need to be aware of. Many people mistakenly believe they are ancestral to the Normans, when in fact their ancestors merely adopted the manor placename. It's very possible that those who took the manor name outnumber the actually Normans of the manor given the number of serfs, villians and peasants who were required to keep the typical manor going. I'm not saying this is the case with you, just that you should be aware of the possibility.
If you wish to pursue your Norman-ness, I would suggest you get your DNA tested. That way if you get a majority of matches with other Norman names, then you are most likely of true Norman hertitage.
In that case, welcome to our noble family.
Or, blood thirsty family. Depending on your POV.
Tarry
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Feb/8/2006, 4:46 pm
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Re: Lords of the manor
Hallo Thetforde welcome to the Chatboard.
You have a rare name even by contemporary standards but the main derivitive seems to be "Theod" the other "ford" is non-controversial in that it means ford in river."Theod" is obscure and I cannot find an exact translation. It seems to predate The Norman Revolution 1066-1100 although it certainly is not Anglo-Saxon.All names in Britain today(except those originating in different non-european, historical cultures) are derived from Continental Europe the only ones that appear certain to be 'island based' are those of Pictish origin.
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Thetforde
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Re: Lords of the manor
What was said is so true. For the slaves in the south after the Civil War took their mold masters names as well. AS time march forward the name has changed alot. from present day to 1690 its stade the same, only small changes like tilford or titford, thedford, etc. Im trying to plug holes in our time line. 1690-1350 and 1200-1000 and 950. Around 1350 found a page in a book on line telling of a thetdforde given land in northern Ireland, and he was going their to bring them in line. And what I thought was very strange was I found the same name in France around 950 of a frence manor house. Can give better details now for most of all my records are packed up and stored away. Been packing and cleaning this old house so we can move into the new house very soon. Any books that could help me with my research please let me know?
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Norman deBunker
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Re: Lords of the manor
Thetforde wrote:
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The name Tedford was brought to England in the wave of migration that followed the Norman Conquest of 1066.
Spelling variations include: Tetford, Thetford, Titford, Thedforde and others.
First found in Lincoinshire where they were seated as Lords of the manor of Tetforde from very ancient times, some say from the Norman Conquest of England in 1066 A.D.
I am afraid that this "information" (which appears on the commercial website "House of Names") is pure bunkum.
Tetford and Thetford in Lincolnshire, Thetford in Norfolk, and Little Thetford in Cambridgeshire are all derived from Old English theod (= people) + Old English ford (= ford).
These places would all have been in existence long before the arrival of the Normans. It doesn't say much for the credibility of "House of Names" that the site can seriously suppose that French-speaking invaders would bring a transparently English name with them from France to England!
thewilliam theredforum2002 added:
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"Theod" is obscure and I cannot find an exact translation. It seems to predate The Norman Revolution 1066-1100 although it certainly is not Anglo-Saxon.
Sorry, Bill, but the only accurate statement there is that theod predates the Norman invasion. It is a perfectly unobscure word and it certainly is Anglo-Saxon...
Norm
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mousteriana
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Norman Debunker and all:
I'm afraid I'm going to have to side with Norman Debunker on this one. A lot of last names of people are derived from the town or village they came from. There are a fair number of people called Lincoln, presumably because some ancestor came from there. I know there is a Thetford in Norfolk, and it's just as likely that somebody from that or another Thetford took that name for the same reason, and then passed it on(and with the listed variations as well; spelling wasn't a very big priority until about the 18th century). There *are* some fairly common names in English that seem to be derived from "Norman" ones, and they are fairly well known, but these are often personal names that became "family" names over time.
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Norman deBunker
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Good points, mousteriana. As you say, if the family name corresponds to an English place name X, then the meaning will almost certainly be simply "someone from X".
The Normans changed very very few English place names, though (in the manner of Ellis Island clerks faced with immigrants' "unpronounceable" names) the Norman scribes sometimes "simplified" (thus, Snottingham --> Nottingham). And they famously renamed the Anglo-Saxon settlement of Mearðgrāf -- mearð (= marten) + grāf (= grove) -- since they did not want to live in what sounded to them like "s h i t (merde) grove", to Belgrave ("beautiful grove").
In fact, where Norman family names and English place names are concerned, any transference almost always involves an English place acquiring a Norman family name (usually as an adjunct to the pre-existing English name), rather than the other way around.
Thus, not far from where I live is the village of Dunton Bassett. Dunton was its Saxon name: easily enough interpreted as "hill enclosure". Bassett ("little and low") was the (Norman) name of the family who later came to own it. These days there are people called Dunton and there are people called Bassett. Only the latter can truly claim Norman descent, but even that is qualified by the fact that some Saxons of small stature probably also got nicknamed "Bassett" by their French-speaking masters (and most surnames which are not "where does he live", "who's his father", or "what does he do for a living" names are "what does he look like" nicknames).
[Controversy alert on]
I would add that I am somewhat mystified by the manifest desire of some to be able to demonstrate that their family "came over with the Conqueror" -- as if descent from a bunch of Frenchified Viking plunderers beats an ancestry deriving from the Germanified Britons. ;-)
[Controversy off]
Norm
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mousteriana
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Norman deBunker and all:
Well, I'm actually of Irish descent, so none of this should matter one iota to me. But. . .however. It just so happens I'm writing a Great Science Fiction Masterpiece set in this particular period, so I've learned a great deal about it. Okay, I'm not entirely of Irish descent, there's other "stuff" there too. And if I was so inclined I could probably trace my ancestry back that far. Probably even farther, to some Viking. When I was younger and my hair wasn't gray,such people were described as "ripoff artists", which is a very good description of the Normans, at least. And I think, in later periods, people who didn't take their family names(at least in England) from place of origin, occupation, or some nickname, they thought a
"French-sounding" name sounded better, so they tended to take those where they could. But since the Normans and other French speakers used pretty much the same naming system, some of the "Norman" names are also nicknames or "toponymic"(that is place of origin) names. So in the end, it doesn't make very much difference, IMO.
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Norman Debunker
Apparently a similar thing happened in the early North America(unsure exactly when), the Irish and Scottish immigrants named some gulches and creeks with certain expletive prefixes and affixes which I cannot use here!
Until the pious Christians leant on them heavily to rename the features to a more 'godly' word, hence their name today.
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